{"id":195003,"date":"2023-10-18T18:33:31","date_gmt":"2023-10-18T18:33:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tokenstalk.info\/?p=195003"},"modified":"2023-10-18T18:33:31","modified_gmt":"2023-10-18T18:33:31","slug":"public-schoolboy-who-stabbed-yousef-makki-to-death-denies-lying","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tokenstalk.info\/world-news\/public-schoolboy-who-stabbed-yousef-makki-to-death-denies-lying\/","title":{"rendered":"Public schoolboy who stabbed Yousef Makki to death denies lying"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1>Public schoolboy who stabbed Yousef Makki to death denies lying that his victim had a knife in the confrontation that cost the 17-year-old his life, inquest hears<\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li><span>Josh Molnar, 22, admits fatally\u00a0stabbing Yousef Makki through the heart in 2019<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The killer of Yousef Makki was challenged over whether he was \u2018lying\u2019 about his claim the public schoolboy had a knife, to justify self-defence.<\/p>\n<p>Josh Molnar was asked about why he had changed his account of what happened, to allege Yousef was \u2018more aggressive\u2019 &#8211; better-supporting his claim.<\/p>\n<p>The 22-year-old admits stabbing Yousef Makki through the heart during a confrontation in 2019 and lying to police afterwards, accepting his behaviour was \u2018disgusting\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>But, in a criminal trial and a first inquest, he said he acted because his friend brandished a knife at him.<\/p>\n<p>Questioned today during a new inquest into the tragedy, Molnar was asked by coroner Geraint Williams to account for how he gave different versions of events.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/10\/18\/17\/76614357-12645241-Yousef_Makki_17_died_from_a_5_5_inch_stab_wound_through_the_hear-a-1_1697645528517.jpg\" height=\"837\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>Yousef Makki, 17, died from a 5.5-inch stab wound through the heart in March 2019 after a confrontation with his friend Joshua Molnar<\/p>\n<p>These included him saying in evidence this morning that he took the flick knife used to stab 17-year-old Yousef from the pair\u2019s mutual friend Adam Chowdhary. In the trial and first inquest, he said he\u2019d been given the weapon by Yousef.<\/p>\n<p>Chowdhary, also now 21, has admitted buying two identical flick knives online.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Williams said to Molnar: \u2018If Yousef had given you the knife, there is no way he could have come at you with it.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Molnar replied the boys had two flick knives between them and said Yousef \u2013 a scholarship pupil at prestigious Manchester Grammar School who wanted to be a heart surgeon &#8211; had both blades when the trio initially met on the day of the tragedy, on March 2, 2019.<\/p>\n<p>Turning to the incident itself, which happened soon after 6.30pm in the wealthy Manchester suburb of Hale Barns, Mr Williams referred to the evidence of security guard Michael Bowman, who was parked on the street where the stabbing happened, on a meal break.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Williams said: \u2018He says there were three men all together, all pushing and shoving\u2019. Is that what happened?<\/p>\n<p>Molnar replied: \u2018Er, no. At no point were the three of us close.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>He said Mr Bowman could have mistakenly thought Chowdhary was with them because it was \u2018dark\u2019 and he was some distance away.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/10\/18\/17\/76614317-12645241-Joshua_Molnar_21_was_cleared_of_murder_and_manslaughter_followin-a-2_1697645547229.jpg\" height=\"1050\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>Joshua Molnar, 21, was cleared of murder and manslaughter following a trial in July 2019 on the grounds of self-defence, claiming Yousef also had a knife<\/p>\n<p>Mr Williams then asked: \u2018It wasn\u2019t two on one, as he described?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Molnar replied: \u2018Yeah, one hundred per cent.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Molnar has always said he and Yousef had argued, Yousef called him a \u2018p***y\u2019 for wanting to go home after he had been beaten up by drug dealers and his expensive bike thrown over a fence earlier that afternoon, before Yousef punched him and pulled out his knife.<\/p>\n<p>He was challenged on further differences between his accounts, including saying he \u2018pushed\u2019 Yousef when on trial in July 2019 but later saying he threw a punch at his friend when quizzed at the first inquest in November 2021.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar claimed details had become \u2018mixed up\u2019 over time.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/10\/18\/17\/76614231-12645241-Yousef_Makki_s_sister_Jade_Akoum_left_with_husband_Marzen_right_-a-3_1697645559885.jpg\" height=\"622\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>Yousef Makki&#8217;s sister Jade Akoum (left) with husband Marzen (right) have fought a lengthy legal battle to have Yousef&#8217;s case reopened<\/p>\n<p>But Mr Williams said: \u2018Are you just making this up as you go along to show you were under attack and had to defend yourself?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>After Molnar\u2019s barrister Lisa Judge said her client should be warned against incriminating himself, the coroner asked him if he was altering his account \u2018to show Mr Makki was being more aggressive, that you are lying to demonstrate that\u2019s why you acted in self-defence?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Molnar replied: \u2018I wasn\u2019t lying. All I can say is I\u2019ve tried to explain it as best as I can on multiple occasions. If there\u2019s a difference, I can only put it down to an issue with my memory.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Mr Williams then suggested to Molnar \u2013 who had already \u2018snatched\u2019 Chowdhary\u2019s jacket as a surety until his bike was found \u2013 that he may have been \u2018getting annoyed about what\u2019s happened\u2019 as he walked up the street.<\/p>\n<p>The coroner continued: \u2018Mr Makki is trying to prevent you going home, he\u2019s goading you, calling you a \u2018p***y\u2019. Something then happens and there\u2019s a stabbing.<\/p>\n<h3>READ MORE:\u00a0Judge orders new inquest into death of Yousef Makki after coroner ruled out unlawful killing and accidental death of the 17-year-old who was stabbed by ex-private schoolboy friend<\/h3>\n<p>\u2018Can I suggest the following. Mr Makki didn\u2019t pull a knife. He didn\u2019t hit you. He may well have been goading you and upsetting you, then you pull a knife. Can I suggest you get the knife out, telling him \u2018f*** off, I\u2019m going home\u2019, can I suggest that\u2019s when the stabbing occurs, that Mr Makki\u2019s done nothing to provoke you other than goading you?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Molnar said: \u2018I did nothing of the sort. I don\u2019t think that makes sense.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018At the time I blamed Adam more than anyone else (for what happened) and I did nothing (to him) other than take the jacket.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Asked if he remembered pulling the knife first, he said: \u2018It\u2019s not that I\u2019ve never known but the details have left me.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Mr Williams also voiced doubt on Chowdhary\u2019s claim when giving evidence yesterday that Yousef had retracted the blade of a flick knife he was supposedly carrying, pulled it from his pocket and handed it to him to dispose.<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u2018I wonder if it\u2019s at all feasible that someone who\u2019s been stabbed through the heart would retract the blade and put it in his pocket.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Ms Judge, for Molnar, said there has been evidence in previous cases where people have moved \u201990 metres\u2019 with a mortal wound.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar, who also had a flick knife with him at the time, claimed he carried knives because he thought it \u2018cool\u2019 and to increase his confidence after he\u2019d been robbed previously.<\/p>\n<p>Although he admitted telling separate lies to police &#8211; claiming the attack on Yousef was from a passing car, then by \u2018four black men from Manchester, and that he and Chowdhary had walked round a corner and found Yousef injured &#8211; he said he did so because he \u2018panicked\u2019 and because of \u2018a sliver of also wanting to help myself\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Although in previous statements, he said he and Chowdhary had agreed stories, he denied a suggestion from Mr Williams that they \u2018cooked up\u2019 stories.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/10\/18\/17\/50859883-12645241-Tributes_to_Yousef_Makki_were_left_outside_by_friends_and_family-a-4_1697645683366.jpg\" height=\"422\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>Tributes to Yousef Makki were left outside by friends and family at Manchester Grammar School (pictured)<\/p>\n<p>But Molnar added: \u2018My actions at the time were disgusting. Although there was a definite worry for my friend when I found out what happened, I can\u2019t deny there was still a sliver of also wanting to help myself in some way or other, as shown by me lying at the scene.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Molnar and Chowdhary, both from wealthy families, went on trial at Manchester Crown Court in June 2019 with Molnar acquitted of murder and manslaughter on grounds of self-defence, and Chowdhary cleared of lying to police.<\/p>\n<p>The following month, Molnar, now of Knutsford, Cheshire, was sentenced to 16 months\u2019 detention after admitting lying to police and possessing an offensive weapon. Chowdhary, of Hale Barns, was locked up for four months for possessing an offensive weapon.<\/p>\n<p>The inquest, being held at Stockport Coroner\u2019s Court and due to last all week, continues.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Mr Williams suggested Molnar was \u2018disingenuous\u2019 when he told police he disposed of the knives \u2018into a bush\u2019 \u2013 but had actually dumped the flick knife over a wall on one side of the road and his clasp knife into a garden on the other side.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i.dailymail.co.uk\/1s\/2023\/10\/18\/17\/25193850-12645241-Yousef_is_pictured_above_with_his_father_on_his_first_day_of_gra-a-14_1697646292792.jpg\" height=\"845\" width=\"634\"><\/p>\n<p>Yousef is pictured above with his father on his first day of grammar school, where he was able to win a scholarship\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Molnar said he could not remember why, adding: \u2018There wasn\u2019t some convoluted scheme to place them in different locations\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Asked why he did not tell the truth about what happened, Molnar said his \u2018first thought was to lie\u2019 and he had \u2018dug himself a hole\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar was accused by Yousef\u2019s family of \u2018painting a false picture\u2019 because he knew Yousef \u2018could not speak for himself\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>He denied he had changed his account to suggest Yousef had injured him when he threw a punch.<\/p>\n<p>Pete Weatherby KC, representing Yousef\u2019s relatives, suggested to Molnar, now 22, that he \u2018knew Yousef had died and could not speak for himself\u2019 and had \u2018painted a false picture of where you got the knife and of Yousef\u2019.<\/p>\n<h3>READ MORE:\u00a0Final moments of public schoolboy Yousef Makki before he is stabbed to death: CCTV shows teenager, 17, with his friends seconds before one of them knifed him through the heart in fight\u00a0<\/h3>\n<p>Molnar \u2013 who appeared tearful at times &#8211; said: \u2018I tried to be as honest as I could at each stage of the process.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>He denied a suggestion from Mr Weatherby that in a statement to police after Yousef\u2019s death, he was \u2018putting it back on\u2019 Yousef, concerning who had the knives.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar also denied that Yousef later ran up to Molnar and Chowdhary to \u2018act as peacemaker\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Weatherby asked Molnar: \u2018You moved towards him with the knife and stabbed him didn\u2019t you?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>\u2018No,\u2019 replied Molnar.<\/p>\n<p>Questioned by his own barrister Lisa Judge, Molnar agreed that \u2018most\u2019 people he hung out with at the time smoked cannabis.<\/p>\n<p>But he admitted this was \u2018stupid, irresponsible\u2019 and also criminal.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar agreed that there had been no earlier acrimony between him and Yousef, who had been helping him to find the missing bike.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar said he had \u2018sporadic or jigsaw like memories of the evening\u2019 but was telling the truth to the inquest to the best of his ability.<\/p>\n<p>Ms Judge began asking a series of questions about how Molnar felt about Yousef\u2019s death \u2013 to which Mr Williams interjected: \u2018This is not a theatre\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Molnar said he felt \u2018devastated, horrible, I don&#8217;t think there\u2019s many words that can explain\u2026 terrible\u2019 \u2013 but agreed with Ms Judge who said his actions were \u2018necessary and proportionate to deal with the threat as (he) perceived it\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>The inquest is due to conclude with final submissions on Friday and Mr Williams set to give his conclusion on Wednesday.<\/p>\n<p>Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-12645241\/Public-schoolboy-stabbed-Yousef-Makki-death-lying-victim-knife-confrontation-inquest-hears.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read Full Article<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Public schoolboy who stabbed Yousef Makki to death denies lying that his victim had a&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":195002,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[28134],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.8 - 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